Let's BOOGie

[boog]

Hello gentlemen, congrats on making it all the way to the final two. I just want to say it was a pleasure playing the game with both of you, even if I did want both of you out a few times along the way. With the entire g0 shit storm that happened, we have a very deserving final two in my opinion. I’ll stat by just saying some words to both of you and then move into the questions.  

Zach – I’m heartbroken you didn’t answer Zoog for that showmance question during part one of the final HOH. I really did appreciate getting to know you as a person in this game. You were definitely someone I was worried about because our only somewhat interaction before this game wasn’t really a positive one but I’m glad that was put behind us here. I hope those hour-long skype calls were actually genuine and not just gameplay on your part, but if it was, hats off to you.

Nick – Our social interactions throughout this game seemed to lack any real depth, I feel like we really only talked to each other when one of us needed something in the game and I don’t feel I got to know you as a person in the game. After this game is done, I hope we can become friends and maybe play some ghost or battlesnakes or whatever. Also, thanks for the no goodbye message. You were supposed to write a 3-paragraph goodbye… so rude.

Now onto the questions. I know you both are really good at lying but please don’t lie during these questions, I just want honest answers.  

Zach – one thing that really bothered me with your game was the fact that you always needed a reason to nominate someone/evict someone. It wouldn’t be simple things like “they are a threat” or something logical like that, it always had to be that in someway that they did something to you. It reminded me a lot of Vanessa on BB17. Was there ever a time where things like this didn’t apply to your game? We were on opposite sides of the house pretty much this entire game, yet we would make deals to keep each other safe throughout the game. Were you ever loyal to me in this game? Also, had I not won the POV when Candice and I were on the block, was Candice always the target or was it me?  

Nick – I like to be proven wrong. My pleading case to you when I left was that if you wanted Zach out of the game, you’d need my help to do so because he will steamroll the competitions to get to the end. So far I was right. I said Zach would win if you guys were at the end together. What do you feel like your chances of winning are right now? By the sounds of the results for part 3, you almost won the comp. What would you have done in the situation where you were the final HOH? Your jury management was very poor this game at times, do you regret how you handled yourself?  

Now onto the potato scale. To no ones surprise, I have this strange thing for potatoes and now it's your turn to see how you see yourselves on the potato scale. Basically I want you both to rank yours and your opponents overall game (social/physical/strategic/all of that good stuff) with one number.

The scale works as simple as this. It's from 1-10. 1 being completely worthless braindead how are you still breathing and 10 being absolutely amazing u r the godfather of this game, like as if the trio if they were actually real.

Bonus: do the same for each member of the jury  

Thanks to the both of you. I don’t have Internet right now so sorry if I’m slow to respond to anything.  

[boog]

ps nick if u answered any of my questions in ur videos i havent watched them yet cuz no internet so give me a tldr version sorry if u have to repeat urself

[Zach]

Hello gentlemen, congrats on making it all the way to the final two. I just want to say it was a pleasure playing the game with both of you, even if I did want both of you out a few times along the way. With the entire g0 shit storm that happened, we have a very deserving final two in my opinion. I’ll stat by just saying some words to both of you and then move into the questions.

Zach – I’m heartbroken you didn’t answer Zoog for that showmance question during part one of the final HOH. I really did appreciate getting to know you as a person in this game. You were definitely someone I was worried about because our only somewhat interaction before this game wasn’t really a positive one but I’m glad that was put behind us here. I hope those hour-long skype calls were actually genuine and not just gameplay on your part, but if it was, hats off to you.

Thanks Boog!
hahahah I thought it was a trick question! Since our showmance was constantly talked about.  Those Skype convos were genuine. How can somebody fake it for that long? OR would want to be on a call that long if they weren't enjoying themselves? I really wish we did those earlier in the game because I think we'd have been good allies instead of enemies for so long. It's a shame we spent too much time in the game being against or upset at the other.

Zach – one thing that really bothered me with your game was the fact that you always needed a reason to nominate someone/evict someone. It wouldn’t be simple things like “they are a threat” or something logical like that, it always had to be that in someway that they did something to you. It reminded me a lot of Vanessa on BB17. Was there ever a time where things like this didn’t apply to your game? We were on opposite sides of the house pretty much this entire game, yet we would make deals to keep each other safe throughout the game. Were you ever loyal to me in this game? Also, had I not won the POV when Candice and I were on the block, was Candice always the target or was it me?

I kind of take that as a compliment because I do respect Vanessa's game in BB17. I know she is hypocritical and annoying to people but she was/is playing nonstop and I'd like to think I was too in this game. As far as reasons? I guess I felt the need to explain in depth why I was nominating the way I was or why I was voting the way I was. I wanted people to see I had validation in my moves so they would still trust me if I was doing something they didn't like. (Like me explaining to you why I wanted your friends (like Chris) out while hoping to not ruin our relationship) Maybe it worked on some and maybe not so much on others. Early on in the game I had a lot of people question me and my agenda when I would refuse to vote out a trio person or nominate one of them. I felt the need to explain myself a lot and I guess I never kicked the habit. I would say a time in the game this did not apply was the round I targeted Ash/Christine. The whole house knew my agenda was really clear and I didn't have to explain myself much to people. Zeaven put them up and stated they were a threat to me and that was that.

Every time I told you that you were the Coven I was closest to, it was legitimate. It wasn't something to try and keep you at my side. I was more upset with Neda/Candice when I told you stuff like that. The Coven girl I felt I could trust most changed a lot based on things I kept hearing over the rounds. At first you were the Coven I was closest to, then it changed to Candice, then it changed to you again when we started skyping a lot, and then it finally changed to Neda during the final stretch when I realized you would evict me if you had the chance to win the game.

But I would say I was as loyal to you as I could be. The round you and Heather won HOH was when I wanted to start working with both of you deep. I wrote so in my diary that if you guys kept me safe, especially when you had the chance to strike at Heaven, it meant you did care about my safety. But then that round I heard you wanted to nominate my pair as a replacement and I ended up losing trust in you, whereas Heather was ensuring me my safety. So my point is, I did intend to actually be loyal to you when we FIRST agreed to work together, but I kept hearing things that made me uneasy and yada yada we landed on opposite sides.

The POV advantage is what made me realize I needed to put you up. I knew for my game the next two strongest competitors were you and Candice. I trusted you a lot more than Candice once we were sprung into the final 7. So yes my goal was to evict Candice that week. Initially I wanted to put up Neda and Matt and backdoor Candice. Then I started to want to put up Candice initially. Then I realized you could save her and I'd end up evicting Neda that week which did nothing for me in the next week. I knew I would need that veto so I had to get you to use it. Nick and Neda (maybe I'm not sure about her) wanted you gone more so than Candice and I agreed it was a smarter option, especially if you'd hold a grudge. To me it all depended on your reaction to being nominated. If I had won that POV I was going to see if you'd ask me for a final two because I believed you and I were the two biggest threats. But if you didn't and I could see you holding your nomination against me then yeah you might have been in danger that week. I just knew I needed to take out a strong competitor so I could get here easier.

Now onto the potato scale. To no ones surprise, I have this strange thing for potatoes and now it's your turn to see how you see yourselves on the potato scale. Basically I want you both to rank yours and your opponents overall game (social/physical/strategic/all of that good stuff) with one number.

The scale works as simple as this. It's from 1-10. 1 being completely worthless braindead how are you still breathing and 10 being absolutely amazing u r the godfather of this game, like as if the trio if they were actually real.

Bonus: do the same for each member of the jury

I don't mean to offend any1. These typically do but ALAS!



Socially, I think I was in good with a lot of people and I kept myself off the block for a long time. I didn't leave with too much enemies I don't think. Strategically I always lack when compared to my social and physical game. I tend to play in the moment so I had room for improvement in that department. I did achieve my starting goal coming in. I value the social game overall. Physical I think speaks for itself (12 HOH/POV wins)

FTR I am giving myself the highest potato because I do feel I deserve 2 win but I'm not in love with my game or anything. Nobody played a perfect game but I AM proud of mine that I got myself here.

Socially, he was an approachable player. He lied a lot to people and they left sour at him. On the flip side he is a cerebral type player. Whether he plans something or not he can make it seem like he did and has a good way with words. Physically there was room for improvement. He performed well in a handful of competitions but walked away with 2 HoHs. Obviously I prefer my game to his but if not for me I would vote for him and would rank him 2nd.



Neda had a decent social game as she never was on the block post veto until the final 4. However a large part of the social game is players liking you and she did "annoy" some players. Physically......lol <3. But strategically I think she had a smart mind. I give her more credit after seeing her play RNF7 then this. Unfortunately perception is KEY and perception of Neda was less than average so I give her a 4.



Matt was an underdog in this game. He didn't know a lot of people. At the start he was THE most social player. He was speaking to everyone. Butttttt I think he struggled though in how to game talk with people so that hurt him a lot. Strategically I had no idea what he was thinking a lot of the time. I just knew he was focused on taking out bigger players. Competition wise, he respectfully flopped. But he did decent in that f5 POV!! Perception of Matt's game was less than average. In all honesty I think he made a mess of his game with his big lie. He could have played it so much cooler and got the leg up! I'm sure you would like to throw a potato at me for this score.



Boog was going to win the game if she made the end I think. She was the darkhorse and I think the Jury was pulling for her. Socially I think she struggled early on with some people. Talking to Boog on Skype vs AIM was the biggest difference to me. She became so much easier to talk with. She also racked up 3 HOHs and 2 POVs to save herself. Perception of Boog was very high and I would rank her after myself & Nick.



Don't hate me for this low potato Brian. But perception of you as I'm sure you have heard was low. Socially you got people annoyed by all the time you took committing to decisions. As I told you in the game you danced around direct questions. But on the plus side you did win an HOH AND a battle of the block by yourself so that is something. Strategically I think you were aiming to go to the finals with Matt but I can't be sure. I don't think you'd have won a Jury vote based on perception but I did like your game here much more than S7 though.



I think Candice played a slightly above average game all around. I had my ups and downs socially with Candice. She came out STRONG round one here to play. She spent majority of her game hunting the trio and was so focused on that that she lost a few points strategically. Socially she was doing well enough to avoid the block and hide her mystery HoH. I think she was good at damage control. And by the time I nominated her, I think she had end games with a LOT of people.



Heather was one of the stronger players of the season when looking at the memory wall. She made a big move nominating Sofia straight up. Like myself she was able to position herself within the trio and the other players. She was socially well liked by a good portion of people and did rack up 2 HoHs. She left the game due to a bad auction outcome. I think she'd be in the top 4 gamers this season.



Keith was an enigma to me. He seemed to not care about the game a lot but he was still actively playing it. I think he spread a lot of rumors and he was in a position to where he was never really a target. He left the game when nobody even really wanted him out either. It was weird. Everyone knew Keith was doing his own thing when it came to votes. I think the fact people knew he didn't care enough about the game makes him less than average for a potato.



Memphis never really got the opportunity to make moves he wanted to make before he left the game. He was only evicted because it was MVP vote to save but before that he was in a good spot to coast. Socially he never spoke with the Coven and because they were against eachother, he didn't have their votes to stay when he needed them most. He was however the LAST person of all 27 people to touch that block so something should be said for that. He aligned himself pretty snugly with well connected people. The fact he never won anything to showcase himself as a player and change any perceptions of him makes me rank him an average potato.



Mike lasted a lot longer than I thought he would coming in. Like Candice I think he performed as an above average potato. He had a bad reputation in my Allstars game for being a fickle player, so I was not expecting him to make it far. He saved himself a lot with the button and eventually got in a good relationship with Sofia?? His resume isn't bad either. He was pretty good physically, beating a trio member in an HoH, saving himself with BOTB, and winning a duos POV. Socially I think he could have been better. There was clearly mixed signals when it came to myself and him at least. He did a lot of work to try and stay and managed to make it a vote difference.



Everyone loved Hayley. She was only nominated because of the BOTB twist and then the couples twist. Nobody actually wanted to put her on the block. From someone with a bad reputation in competitions, she even won a HOH. There was some fight for her to stay and she was the victim of a power struggle. Much like Memphis I see her as someone who should have went a lot farther than they did but unfortunately her game was cut short. Thus I give her an average potato.



Rachelle was a good player in the early game. But she is also the lowest placing player on this rank. So to balance that I am giving her an above average potato rank. She was very good in competitions, winning a POV and HOH before her early exit. However there was not much resistance to Rachelle's departure. She was doing socially well but she didn't form enough bonds to have people fight with her. The one person she did was MIA for 24 hours during a time she needed her most.

 

that was tough~ Sorry if you feel I ranked you low. I'm sure people all have different opinions on their potatoes etc but IT'S HARD U TRY IT.

Thanks again Boog!

[nick]

Nick – Our social interactions throughout this game seemed to lack any real depth, I feel like we really only talked to each other when one of us needed something in the game and I don’t feel I got to know you as a person in the game. After this game is done, I hope we can become friends and maybe play some ghost or battlesnakes or whatever. Also, thanks for the no goodbye message. You were supposed to write a 3-paragraph goodbye… so rude.

Yeah I agree. I wouldn't say they were striiiiictly business because I put some personal effort in at least and certainly got to know you more than a lot of people this season, but a lot of it was definitely cutting to the chase with each other because our games got very intertwined towards that final stretch. I taught you Ghost way back then and introduced you to all of that with the hope that you'd join us after the season ends and I meant it, so I have no doubt we'll be playing soon enough. TIP KISSING GALORE!

Nick – I like to be proven wrong. My pleading case to you when I left was that if you wanted Zach out of the game, you’d need my help to do so because he will steamroll the competitions to get to the end. So far I was right. I said Zach would win if you guys were at the end together. What do you feel like your chances of winning are right now? By the sounds of the results for part 3, you almost won the comp. What would you have done in the situation where you were the final HOH? Your jury management was very poor this game at times, do you regret how you handled yourself?

Your points when campaigning to me were very fair. BUT, I was most definitely holding back on a lot of competitions early on in the season. Some I straight up sucked at, some I straight up didn't wanna win, and a lot I played without feeling like my life was on the line because it never was. When it came down to the final stretch I knew I could give Zach a run for his money and I certainly did. Two comps came down to triple tie breakers so I was very much in it at the end there 

If I won part three I would've evicted Zach. It would've been a difficult personal decision but I tend to leave that at the door and do what I feel is the best for me. After the trio left, as the rounds went on, I really liked my game more than Zach's and felt like I had a strong case against him if we did happen to make the end together, so keeping you in to try to beat Zach didn't feel 100% imperative to me to be honest. You and I were against each other in a fun way during the last chunk of the game, so I felt I needed you out to keep my path to the end clear and to keep all the pieces where I needed them to be. If you remained in, you could've potentially taken me out or beaten me at the end if we somehow landed here together

So while I would have taken Zach out, I still felt like making the end with him was an option for me. The major reason why I wanted to take him out was because a juries perception is veryyyy difficult to change, and I figured several jurors felt like Zach would just win if he made it into the end. As the game neared the end and now that I'm in the finale with him, I feel like I have a half decent chance. I'm certainly not out of it and I'm finding it a lot of fun to really fight to try to earn the win here

At times my management was poor for sure. I regret no moves I made in the game, but I do regret the way I dealt with a handful of jurors a bit. Specifically Mike, Candice, and Keith. There were some things that I'd try to change if I could go back, BUT ALAS! I do have things I wanna say to clarify the way some of those evictions went down (specifically Candice's) which I hope to do in another question. I certainly wasn't cruel to anyone on their way out at the very least and I'm sure everyone knows that with me it was just the game and was never personal. It's tough because given my position in the game, I could have saved a lot of people in a lot of these evictions and sent the other person home, so it's easy and understandable to point a finger at me because I was in a spot to make or break a lot of people's games. So yeah, depending on who you ask as they left the game, my jury management was hot or cold. I hope a lot of it was temporary gut reactions by some of you at the time and I hope I've explained myself here and there so far

TATERZ NEXT!

[nick]

Sept 9, 2015 16:30:36 GMT -5 boog said:

ps nick if u answered any of my questions in ur videos i havent watched them yet cuz no internet so give me a tldr version sorry if u have to repeat urself

kkkk no biggie, I didn't quite answer those specifically in them but I definitely touched on things that'll illuminate some of your issues that you mentioned so I hope you get around to watching when you can

[nick]

Nick: 8

I'm proud of my game! It wasn't the best game I've ever played and there was room for improvement, but I think the things I did well at far outweigh the things I could've done better at. My game was extremely dynamic and I put myself in a position of power without having to win the power. I kept my cards close to my chest and was purposefully an enigma to a whole lot of people to disguise where my loyalty was at. My positioning gave me a ton of options which I feel is absolutely key, and my campaigning kept me safe time and time again. ATE POTATO. sry

Zach: 7.9

He played well! Physically he was the best outside of the trio and his social game was more or less consistent. Strategically I think he made some mistakes, protecting the trio for as long as he did being his glaring one. Had the trio remained in the game, I feel he would've left veryyy soon which means he was not playing a winning game. Taking the trio out was not at all as easy as he seemed to think, and it was gonna bite him. After the 'reset' he was outmaneuvered by me and didn't have enough effective social/strategic plays to keep himself safe had he lost a single one of those comps

Gonna keep these short and sweet since I'm going second and would get a bit repetitive! Zach and I were always very retrospective in our talks so we share similar views on these things

Neda: 6

Underrated for sure. She knew when to stay loyal to people and when to jump ship when it benefited her. Good social game and it wasn't an accident that she always remained off the block. Loses a bit because of how many people she intentionally or accidentally seemed to anger

Matt: 4

Matt had a lot of potential as an under the radar schemer, his problem was just that people had a hard time trusting him and thus a hard time game talking back with him. Socially he did well enough, people liked him and most seemed to enjoy their non-game talks

Boog: 7

Big surprise threat late in the game. I think you stepped it up around the time you got targeted by me which I can relate to because I stepped it up when I was targeted myself. One of the better competition players and you fought hard and well when you really needed to

Brian: 4

Brian was tricky for me in this game. The two of us came in with a lot of baggage and I wasn't sure if we'd be able to bury the hatchet, but we seemed to from the start almost effortlessly. He frustrated people with the way he spoke as we all know, but him and I had reallyyyy great conversations in the last few rounds. We were able to see eye to eye on what needed to be done and I appreciated his willingness to actually have direct conversations with me and make his intentions very clear (in regards to setting Zach up for eviction the live round). He was more or less strategically sound and it helped make up for the way he rubbed some people the wrong way or his lack of physicality. Tho winning first HoH and that thrown BotB alone were hilarious highlights

Candice: 6

Candice surprised me a lot in this game. I remember after round one I was like....DAMN I better stay on Candice's good side. She came to play and it showed. Winning blackout and secretly stirring the pot while being the only person to successfully get Heaven out (besides colby and pyramid head ofc) were impressive

Heather: 7

I was really glad to see Heather get her hands dirty by going after Sofia. Besides me, she was the only person to nominate Sofia so I have a lot of respect for it. She knew what needed to be done and was completely willing and capable of doing it. A top tier comp player and did well to spread herself out socially

Keith: 3

MY OLE' PAL! I'm sure Keith was doing more than we all saw, but a lot of the sneaky stuff he tried to do......we all saw. I wasn't too exposed to his game so I can't judge or comment too much on it, but he was doing something right to survive a couple of evictions

Memphis: 5

Memphis had a suuuuper strong start and I was envious of his position. He seemed untouchable for quite awhile and was reaching out to the right people. His eviction was pretty brutal and difficult to survive given that the three of us were on the block and had some shared allies. I think if he had survived that he would've gone much deeper

Mike: 6

Really had a presence in this game and did well for himself in the first half. He knew what needed to be done for the good of the game (regarding trio) and was brave enough to be outspoken about it, so props for that. Had a few earlier evictions gone different ways and with a slightly different combination of people in the game midway through, I feel like he would've had a great chance to make it a lot further

Hayley: 5

Socially she was great. A shining personality can go a long way or it can make you a target. Brittany was targeted for it, Hayley spun it to her advantage. Even when Hayley told me she was evicting me round two I didn't hate her for it and I believed her when she said we can work on having each others' backs if I survived. She was great at getting people to trust her in an almost effortless way

Rachelle: 6

She was the most robbed prejuror at the time for sure (besides Mike since he made Jury phase but then comeback etc). I touched on this in my video, but Rachelle was super willing to get her hands dirty and do what needed to be done for her game. I respect that a lot in players and if Rachelle had stayed, some people would've been the victim of that I'm sure. Physically and socially she left a mark but was weirdly evicted with no pushback, probably due to vote to save



TY Boog TY

[boog]

Perfect! Love the little graphics Zach. Thank you both & good luck. No hard feelings to either of you, I'll catch you both on the flip side.